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ladycliff
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 Topic: The Tax System explained- with beer Posted: 12/02/2008 at 10:06pm |
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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.'
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 ( 25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
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Monica Campana
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 Posted: 12/03/2008 at 6:13am |
And that friendlier place is? Ireland? 41% Slovakia? 19% Russia is at 13% but much of their $$ is in black market. http://www.worldwide-tax.com/ The world is flattening. Better build high walls.
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ladycliff
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It is hard for some Floridians to understand the tax burdens of others in the US. However many states have sales taxes AND income taxes. For example: people who work in NYC have state tax to cope with in addition to the federal taxes plus that pesky sales tax. They are considering re-instating the additional city income tax soon.
NY state charges an income tax of 6.85% of all earnings over $20,000 (after personal exemptions of $7500 and a standard deduction of $1000). NYC sales tax: 8.375% on all but clothes and shoes.
Edited by ladycliff - 12/03/2008 at 7:27am
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rrright
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You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads! Ah, would you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bone here!
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z3liz
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You're absolutely right, rrright. 
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Monica Campana
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I'm with you rrright but it will never happen because too many loopholes would be closed.
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justvisiting
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 Posted: 12/03/2008 at 8:19pm |
Thanks, rrright and z3liz! Preachin' to the choir! As for Monica, one of the best reasons to have the Fair Tax is to be much more fair by closing those @#$%&* loopholes!
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xelamom
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GH resident
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Bottom line, fewer and fewer are paying taxes. So who is supporting free benefits, social security, etc for the country. The percentages are going in the wrong direction.
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piper180
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It is hard to believe that most people want fair taxing,but will defend the SOH in this state. The state would not be in such a hole if all paid their fair share,and not what was their assessment 5 years and longer ago. There must be billions of dollars not paid due to this unfair tax system. I know all will defend their right to pay less than their neighbor,but it is not fair and you cannot argue about that. I am homesteaded and am probably paying less than someone that built after me but that is not right and it is the local governments that are in the hole because of this.
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